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    The Trinity debate - what is your opinion?

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    Should we believe in the Trinity - the Trinity debate? Write your opinion. Put your money where your mouth is.Blog up a storm!

    Do you personally believe in the Trinity? I was actually brought up to believe in it from my earliest days at Sunday School, so many decades ago, when most of my generation attended regularly every Sunday morning.

    It appears to me that it has always been a central doctrine of the church.I believe that it has always been there, just like the Cross. Should it be a subject that is more than just a passing interest? So I looked for some information from an organisation that obviously knows a little bit about the subject.The following is from The Watchtower magazine, with thanks!

    Various Trinitarian concepts exist. But generally the Trinity teaching is that in the Godhead there are three persons, Father,Son and Holy Ghost; yet together they are but one God. The doctrine says that the three are co-equal, almighty, and uncreated, having existed in the Godhead.

    Others, however, say that the Trinity doctrine is false, that Almighty God stands alone as a separate, eternal, and all-powerful being. They say that Jesus in his pre-human existence was, like the angels, a separate spirit person created by God, and for this reason he must have had a beginning.They teach that Jesus has never been Almighty God's equal in any sense; he has always been subject to God and still is.They also believe that the Holy Ghost is not a person but God's spirit, his active force.

    Supporters of the Trinity say that it is founded not on religious tradition but also on the Bible.Critics of the doctrine say that it is not a Bible teaching, one history source even declaring:" The origin of the Trinity is entirely pagan." - THE PAGAN IN OUR CHRISTIANITY.

    If the Trinity is true, it is degrading to Jesus to say he was never equal to God as part of the Godhead. But if the Trinity is false, it is degrading to Almighty God to call anyone his equal, and even worse to call Mary the " Mother of God". If the Trinity is false, it dishonors God to say as noted in the book of Catholicism: "Unless people keep their faith whole and undefiled without doubt they shall perish forever- lastingly.And the Catholic Faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity."

    How is the Trinity explained?

    The Roman Catholic Church states: The Father is God,the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God, In this Trinity...the Persons are co-eternal and co-equal: all alike are uncreated and omnipotent - the Catholic Encyclopedia. Nearly all other churches in Christendom also agree.

    But wait a minute there, Jesus is the Son of God, not God the Father. How can he be the Father of Himself?

    Furthermore,Islam believes that Jesus was but one of the great Prophets, not the Son of God, just to throw another spanner in the works!

    What do you believe?

    DD

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  • If you look at water you can have water steam and ice three things but all are H2O. In life I am a Father and also a son and also a husband as well as a man so it's not so hard to understand the concept of the Trinity.
    Without the Trinity how can we explain Bible verses such as
    GE 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness,
    Or in the New Testament where Jesus was being baptised by John and the Holy Spirit descended on in the form of a dove and voice spoke from heaven saying "This is my Son....."
    I have no doubts. Thanks for an interesting post;)

  • I was just about to say something about God, Jesus and the 'holy ghost' being manifestations of the same thing, before I saw the above reply which says a similar thing. However, as a Buddhist I do not believe in the existence of an all powerful all knowing being who created the world as we know it. I think that 'God' is a man made concept. I have heard some people say that God actually means 'love' which in its true form is all powerful and forgiving and healing.

    I think in the past, alot of spiritual people have had deep insights into the true nature of reality, regarding love, compassion and the nature of things; but they cannot explain it in words, so they invented the term 'God' to try and explain it. The problem is that people since then have taken this concept and built up alot of superstition around it, and alot of concepts to suit themselves. That's why all the different interpretations come in to it. And that is why I think that fundamentalists have got the totally wrong approach. A particular interpretation is just that, an interpretation, and not 'the truth'. So to take this 'truth' and then claim that non believers in this truth will suffer in some way, is totally wrong.

    David

    • I'm not a Buddist, but I agree in general with astronut. Since all religion is conceptual, it can exist in as many different forms as there are heads to contain it. The problem is people will keep confusing it with reality.

      Hermit (the atheist)

  • Thanks for both your comments, they were appreciated.A debate has to have debaters!

  • But you cannot be the Son of God and God at the same time, can you?

    Just imagine Richie McCaw being the coach, captain and world class player in the All Blacks rugby team - some say he is the Son of God now? LOL

    • Yantan (Visitor)
    • http://huttriver.blog.co.uk/2006/12/10/the_trinity_debate_what_is_your_opinion~1420872
    • 2008-04-21 @ 09:06:20

    As much as somebody can indeed by a husband, son and father those roles are not equal. For as a son he comes under his father and as a father he is not equal to his son.

    Never in the bible does Jesus say that he is God, if he was then why not just say it. He only ever says that he is the Son of God, the Messiah. He further states that no-one comes to the Father except through him! Here he is acknowledging that there is something beyond himself,(God does not need a God) if he were the end then that statement makes no sense.

    God further states that he made the heavens and Jesus was there, Jesus nowhere creates alone he only creates with God and the Holy Spirit is said to have garnished the earth NOT created it.

    The list could go on and on with these kind of examples but what is important is that the idea of a godhead is Hindu not christian, the trinity is a post-biblical idea NEVER it is mentioned in the bible, in fact Jesus himself believed in one God! Sure they are made from the same substance for he is God's image but an image of God NOT God.

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